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Our Father, who art in Heaven, HOLLOWED be THY name.. IS it? Do we really mean it? -Can we say so in a public place? Free Judea-Christian Country? How gullible have we, the American people been, to let this happen to our Country, while watching the downward sliding in our morality! What harm could anyone find in the permission of teaching of God and morality to children at kindergarten and on? After all, we are a Judea-Christian Nation, we must preserve that...

First Amendment does not say that there should be a "Separation of GOD and State." It instructs the Government not to favor any one religion.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

-God cannot be sued in courts, Church can. God surely does not look kindly upon people killing each other over religion. Neither Church or religion is God. They are man made. God the Maker of heaven and earth, is God.... This is where ACLU, and my Congressman are wrong.

My Congressman and his office seem to respect "Separation of Church and State" same way as ACLU does. -That is; to them, Church and God seems to be the same thing.and the separation of God from State is just fine...
In a letter to me, he wrote that "Once a teacher starts to lead students in prayer, it is difficult for any particular student to object or to abstain, and thus he or she is forced to pray--- a clear violation of the First Amendment."--AMAZING!
First Amendment says nothing of the sort, in fact it cautions the Congress not to make no law prohibiting the free exercise thereof, (which is happening now), or abridging the freedom of speech, (which is happening now), or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, (which is happening now).

I am referring to one incident which happened recently at the steps of Supreme Court. A group of tourists started to pray to God at the steps. A security guard came over, and stopped them. They complained, pointing to First Amendment, --Freedom of speech. They were told to move on.. It is very "politically correct" and easy to declare that there is a "Separation of Church and State," which is true, but the First Amendment does not say that there should be a "Separation of GOD and State." Presently the 14th Amendment also is being violated by "abridging" the voluntary school prayers.

Religions are man made, as the churches are. Man argues an even kills over religions. The Founding Fathers knew this, -they seen it. Therefore they drafted the First Amendment to protect the Country and the future generations.

Please click stringer: http://www.tourolaw.edu/patch/Engel/ and read ENGEL ET AL. V. VITALE, U.S. Supreme Court Case, and Dissenting Justice Seward's remarks..

Of course anything goes for the Congresses..They can have their tax payer paid Chaplains, paid by tax payers, whose own children's morals and outlook on life
in schools are being molded, can't hear the God's name even mentioned. Was it
that ridiculous at Boston tea party? Are we "One Nation under God?"

On June 4, 1998, the Religious Freedom Amendment (H.J. Res. 78), sponsored by Rep. Ernest Istook (R-OK), was defeated in the House of Representatives by a vote of 224 to 203 - a majority, but 61 votes short of the two-thirds necessary to pass a constitutional amendment. H.J. Res. 78 would have permitted, not only school prayer, but religious symbols on public property and the use of tax money for religious activities. That surely would have put a stop to those frivolous law suits.

The New York Times (6/5/98) quoted Congressman Istook, who is a member of the globalist front, The Council for National Policy: "As prayer has gone out of the schools, guns, knives, drugs and gangs have come in. It's time we put the emphasis on what we believe, and almost every American believes in God." --

This bill, H.J. Res.78 is in full compliance with the Supreme Court decision on Engel v. Vitale case, as long as a governmental official does not compose or administrate it. Evidently it is OK for Congress (which is our present), but not for our school children, (which is our future) ! ! That we are a Judeo-Christian nation, as we were then, when during the world war II, a troop ship was sinking to the depts of Atlantic ocean, four figures were seen on the deck praying. They were Chaplains, -A Rabbi, a Priest and two Ministers. They had given their lifejackets to others..Use keywords "four Chaplains" to read their story.

That we truly are a Nation under God must be loudly and plainly declared to the rest of the world, we cannot have hundreds of other cultures and religions reach our shores and try to displace our heritage.

Sincerely, Eino Salminen, eino1916@aol.com.